Comments on: Chuck Missler’s Sabbath Teaching…An Open Refutation by Tim C. Terry http://seedsofrestoration.wordpress.com/2008/03/17/chuck-misslers-sabbath-teachingan-open-refutation-by-tim-c-terry/ Planting "seeds" of restoration within the hearts of Christians Tue, 13 Oct 2009 23:49:15 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: newcolors http://seedsofrestoration.wordpress.com/2008/03/17/chuck-misslers-sabbath-teachingan-open-refutation-by-tim-c-terry/#comment-472 newcolors Fri, 23 Jan 2009 22:53:29 +0000 http://seedsofrestoration.wordpress.com/?p=66#comment-472 Joshua Lee, Praise the Lord! Thanks for the encouragment. Let me say that Chuck Missler is right on many things...I have been blessed by some of his teachings. Let me also say that no matter who you are listening to (including me) you need to always be searching the Scriptures. It will only become more important in the days ahead. There are no perfect teachers...except for our Master! I had hoped Mr. Missler would correct some of his statments concerning the Sabbath (I sent him a copy of my refutation) but he has never responded to me. Now to your question... I am one of several leaders in a small congregation called "The Carpenter's Shop that meets on the Sabbath each week. We began as a Sunday church but moved to the Sabbath a few years back as we began to honor His Appointed Times. One reason was for practical reasons...if we abstain from work on the Sabbath...we don't all have time to also attend a service on Sunday and attend to common house chores. Also, however Levitucus 23:3 does tell us that we are to have a "holy convocation" on the Sabbath...thus over time it works out well for us to meet together on the Sabbath. I would tell you to be cautious about attending a Synagogue that rejects Yeshua as Messiah. I would encourage you to find a group of like minded Believer's who both love Torah and Messiah. Sometimes that is hard I am sure. If it helps for the time being...you can listen to "The Carpenter's Shop's weekly teachings on the internet at www.thewordisgrace.com as you search for a assembly. Right now Jim Denman is teaching thru the book of John...it's been really good. Let me know if I can be of any more help. God Bless, Tim Joshua Lee,

Praise the Lord! Thanks for the encouragment.

Let me say that Chuck Missler is right on many things…I have been blessed by some of his teachings. Let me also say that no matter who you are listening to (including me) you need to always be searching the Scriptures. It will only become more important in the days ahead. There are no perfect teachers…except for our Master! I had hoped Mr. Missler would correct some of his statments concerning the Sabbath (I sent him a copy of my refutation) but he has never responded to me.

Now to your question…

I am one of several leaders in a small congregation called “The Carpenter’s Shop that meets on the Sabbath each week. We began as a Sunday church but moved to the Sabbath a few years back as we began to honor His Appointed Times. One reason was for practical reasons…if we abstain from work on the Sabbath…we don’t all have time to also attend a service on Sunday and attend to common house chores. Also, however Levitucus 23:3 does tell us that we are to have a “holy convocation” on the Sabbath…thus over time it works out well for us to meet together on the Sabbath.

I would tell you to be cautious about attending a Synagogue that rejects Yeshua as Messiah. I would encourage you to find a group of like minded Believer’s who both love Torah and Messiah. Sometimes that is hard I am sure.

If it helps for the time being…you can listen to “The Carpenter’s Shop’s weekly teachings on the internet at http://www.thewordisgrace.com as you search for a assembly. Right now Jim Denman is teaching thru the book of John…it’s been really good. Let me know if I can be of any more help.

God Bless, Tim

]]> By: joshua lee http://seedsofrestoration.wordpress.com/2008/03/17/chuck-misslers-sabbath-teachingan-open-refutation-by-tim-c-terry/#comment-471 joshua lee Fri, 23 Jan 2009 09:50:56 +0000 http://seedsofrestoration.wordpress.com/?p=66#comment-471 “For Moses has had throughout many generations those who preach him in every city, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath.” dear tim, i just want to say thank you for posting such a good article like this. i really enjoyed reading your articles. i've been studying the bible with chuck missler ('s material) for long time. i thought he is right all the time. but this time i am not satisfied with his teaching on sabbath. just one question or two: do you recommend attending synagogues on sat to learn torah? do you attend one? i've never thought of myself attending synagogues in my whole life. what is your opinion on the verse above? thanks for sharing, God bless you “For Moses has had throughout many generations those who preach him in every city, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath.”

dear tim,

i just want to say thank you for posting such a good article like this. i really enjoyed reading your articles.

i’ve been studying the bible with chuck missler (’s material) for long time. i thought he is right all the time. but this time i am not satisfied with his teaching on sabbath.

just one question or two: do you recommend attending synagogues on sat to learn torah? do you attend one?

i’ve never thought of myself attending synagogues in my whole life. what is your opinion on the verse above?

thanks for sharing,

God bless you

]]> By: newcolors http://seedsofrestoration.wordpress.com/2008/03/17/chuck-misslers-sabbath-teachingan-open-refutation-by-tim-c-terry/#comment-455 newcolors Tue, 25 Nov 2008 00:05:58 +0000 http://seedsofrestoration.wordpress.com/?p=66#comment-455 Gary, Thanks for taking the time to comment... First of all let me repeat myself as you apparently missed it in my comments above... I am in no way affliated with the 7th day Adventists...nor shall I ever be. You are right that I do not know the teachings of Ellen G. White. I am a follower of the Messiah Yeshua...Jesus the Christ and thus I seek to imitate Him as instructed in Scripture. Question Gary...am I wrong to imitate Him? Does not Calvary teach you to imitate Messiah? I think you and I both would agree that Jesus kept the 7th day Sabbath. How can I be estranged from my Master by seeking to be like Him? Concerning Galatians and other writings of Paul...please read my comments above once more. Do you really believe Paul taught people to disobey God's Commandments? Did Paul ever advocate a change in the 4th Commandment? You said above " And that to put oneself back under the Law will cause you to fall from grace, and be estranged from Christ." Correct me if I am wrong but I believe what Paul actually says in Galatians 5:4 is "You have become estranged fom Christ, you who ATTEMPT TO BE JUSTIFIED by law; you have fallen from grace". What does your bible say? Again, as stated very clearly above...keeping the 7th day Sabbath is a matter of obedience...not a means of justification. Does honoring your mother and father put you under the law and cause you to be estranged from Christ? Saved by grace...only by the blood of The Lamb... Tim Gary,

Thanks for taking the time to comment…

First of all let me repeat myself as you apparently missed it in my comments above… I am in no way affliated with the 7th day Adventists…nor shall I ever be. You are right that I do not know the teachings of Ellen G. White. I am a follower of the Messiah Yeshua…Jesus the Christ and thus I seek to imitate Him as instructed in Scripture.

Question Gary…am I wrong to imitate Him? Does not Calvary teach you to imitate Messiah? I think you and I both would agree that Jesus kept the 7th day Sabbath. How can I be estranged from my Master by seeking to be like Him?

Concerning Galatians and other writings of Paul…please read my comments above once more. Do you really believe Paul taught people to disobey God’s Commandments? Did Paul ever advocate a change in the 4th Commandment?

You said above ” And that to put oneself back under the Law will cause you to fall from grace, and be estranged from Christ.” Correct me if I am wrong but I believe what Paul actually says in Galatians 5:4 is “You have become estranged fom Christ, you who ATTEMPT TO BE JUSTIFIED by law; you have fallen from grace”. What does your bible say?

Again, as stated very clearly above…keeping the 7th day Sabbath is a matter of obedience…not a means of justification. Does honoring your mother and father put you under the law and cause you to be estranged from Christ?

Saved by grace…only by the blood of The Lamb…
Tim

]]> By: Gary Weatherly http://seedsofrestoration.wordpress.com/2008/03/17/chuck-misslers-sabbath-teachingan-open-refutation-by-tim-c-terry/#comment-454 Gary Weatherly Mon, 24 Nov 2008 02:08:07 +0000 http://seedsofrestoration.wordpress.com/?p=66#comment-454 Paul wrote the Book of Galatians to deal especially with Christians who had been bewitched by those who would put them back under the Law. I had to deal with a lot of Adventist while I lived in the Napa Valley, there is an Adventist college,(Pacific Union) in Angwin (a place in Napa valley). I found that if I just asked them to study, (with only the Holy Spirit teaching) through the Book of Galatians, most Adventists would see the freedom in Christ that is ours through Jesus Christ. And that to put oneself back under the Law will cause you to fall from grace, and be estranged from Christ. Those who are under the Law have no understanding of the relationship one can have with the Father, through His Son, Jesus Christ. they are like the pharisees that "strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel".. EVERYDAY is Sabbath for the born again Christian. It is sad that many Adventist who follow after their "prophet", Ellen G. White, told me that if you worship on Sunday you have taken the mark of the beast (Rev.13). Of course, not many Adventists know of this teaching and so cannot be held accountable for it. I can only encourage you to look to Christ alone for understanding of the Grace of God...man knows nothing of true Grace. Paul wrote the Book of Galatians to deal especially with Christians who had been bewitched by those who would put them back under the Law. I had to deal with a lot of Adventist while I lived in the Napa Valley, there is an Adventist college,(Pacific Union) in Angwin (a place in Napa valley). I found that if I just asked them to study, (with only the Holy Spirit teaching) through the Book of Galatians, most Adventists would see the freedom in Christ that is ours through Jesus Christ. And that to put oneself back under the Law will cause you to fall from grace, and be estranged from Christ. Those who are under the Law have no understanding of the relationship one can have with the Father, through His Son, Jesus Christ. they are like the pharisees that “strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel”.. EVERYDAY is Sabbath for the born again Christian. It is sad that many Adventist who follow after their “prophet”, Ellen G. White, told me that if you worship on Sunday you have taken the mark of the beast (Rev.13). Of course, not many Adventists know of this teaching and so cannot be held accountable for it. I can only encourage you to look to Christ alone for understanding of the Grace of God…man knows nothing of true Grace.

]]> By: Mark-Paul http://seedsofrestoration.wordpress.com/2008/03/17/chuck-misslers-sabbath-teachingan-open-refutation-by-tim-c-terry/#comment-453 Mark-Paul Fri, 21 Nov 2008 16:47:35 +0000 http://seedsofrestoration.wordpress.com/?p=66#comment-453 Greetings Tim, Have just discovered your article response to Chuck Misslers mis-guided teaching on the Sabbath and wanted to encourage you and thank God for your excellant response. I admit some time ago I started to listen to Chucks teachings on Christian radio in our area (Queensland Australia) quite often due to his indepth study on many subjects...until I heard that particular Sabbath study and was dumbfounded! How a man with so much understanding on many faith aspects could get this so wrong? ..."ever learning yet never coming to the knowledge of the truth"??? Tis tragic that "Convenianity" and "deep rooted 'masked' anti-semitism" has such a grip on so many of the wise and prudent" particularly when they are so influential in the broarder Christian community. Though we are still very few in number, it is increasingly encouraging to come across those as yourself that have received much 'revelation' of the timeless relevance of Torah and the contexual teaching and instruction of Yahweh & Yahshua Ha Machia. We desperately need a 'New Faith Reformation' based squarely on the Word of God and Factual History to awaken and challenge 'Bible-Based-Believers' to come out of 'Conveniant Relationship' and enter into 'Covenant Relationship' ...to examine whether they are part of the 'Hebrew-Israel-Judeo-Messianic' faith or the 'Greco-Roman-European-Christian' faith. May Elohim continue to preserve you for His glory and purpose to the education and saving of many souls. Keep up the good work. Shabbat Shalom, MP Greetings Tim,
Have just discovered your article response to Chuck Misslers mis-guided teaching on the Sabbath and wanted to encourage you and thank God for your excellant response. I admit some time ago I started to listen to Chucks teachings on Christian radio in our area (Queensland Australia) quite often due to his indepth study on many subjects…until I heard that particular Sabbath study and was dumbfounded! How a man with so much understanding on many faith aspects could get this so wrong? …”ever learning yet never coming to the knowledge of the truth”??? Tis tragic that “Convenianity” and “deep rooted ‘masked’ anti-semitism” has such a grip on so many of the wise and prudent” particularly when they are so influential in the broarder Christian community. Though we are still very few in number, it is increasingly encouraging to come across those as yourself that have received much ‘revelation’ of the timeless relevance of Torah and the contexual teaching and instruction of Yahweh & Yahshua Ha Machia. We desperately need a ‘New Faith Reformation’ based squarely on the Word of God and Factual History to awaken and challenge ‘Bible-Based-Believers’ to come out of ‘Conveniant Relationship’ and enter into ‘Covenant Relationship’ …to examine whether they are part of the ‘Hebrew-Israel-Judeo-Messianic’ faith or the ‘Greco-Roman-European-Christian’ faith. May Elohim continue to preserve you for His glory and purpose to the education and saving of many souls.
Keep up the good work.
Shabbat Shalom,
MP

]]> By: hazel http://seedsofrestoration.wordpress.com/2008/03/17/chuck-misslers-sabbath-teachingan-open-refutation-by-tim-c-terry/#comment-403 hazel Sat, 07 Jun 2008 12:35:14 +0000 http://seedsofrestoration.wordpress.com/?p=66#comment-403 Dear Tim, I agree with your article. However, having just recently been introduced to some of Chuck Missler's articles, I felt his approach might bear fruit by gently introducing a generic christian to look further into the scriptures and just maybe they will try to further their committment by copying Christ seeing He is our perfect example. I have tried to live generally within the laws and have never found it burdensome, but actually a freedom. (In the Western World this choice is easier to do of course), They offer a way of life which is incredibly beneficial in my every day living. I don't need to be a dietician with a degree to lower my cholestrol, I just don't eat pork or crustaceans.By following the laws, I can have confidence in areas of life that would normally take a lot of study to find answers. From choosing foods, to what to wear, when to pick up a birds egg, or when to get rid of sparrows out of the roof, putting scaffolding around a building site are just some examples, without even mentioning the moral laws. However on the point of stoning one's child. I understand it as follows. The stoning was merely the method of the day. The emphasis should be that the discipline is death. Obviously the son has not responded to rearing, and the behaviour has developed into adulthood. If a child will not respond to discipline and becomes a social misfit, ie drugs, violence toward his own parents etc. it would be normal for the State to deal with the discipline. In a balanced God ruled country as will be the millenium this discipline would probably only be executed once every 50 years or so, as people would understand their child rearing responsibilities and the children would be taught correct living standards. Dear Tim,

I agree with your article. However, having just recently been introduced to some of Chuck Missler’s articles, I felt his approach might bear fruit by gently introducing a generic christian to look further into the scriptures and just maybe they will try to further their committment by copying Christ seeing He is our perfect example.

I have tried to live generally within the laws and have never found it burdensome, but actually a freedom. (In the Western World this choice is easier to do of course), They offer a way of life which is incredibly beneficial in my every day living. I don’t need to be a dietician with a degree to lower my cholestrol, I just don’t eat pork or crustaceans.By following the laws, I can have confidence in areas of life that would normally take a lot of study to find answers. From choosing foods, to what to wear, when to pick up a birds egg, or when to get rid of sparrows out of the roof, putting scaffolding around a building site are just some examples, without even mentioning the moral laws. However on the point of stoning one’s child. I understand it as follows. The stoning was merely the method of the day. The emphasis should be that the discipline is death. Obviously the son has not responded to rearing, and the behaviour has developed into adulthood. If a child will not respond to discipline and becomes a social misfit, ie drugs, violence toward his own parents etc. it would be normal for the State to deal with the discipline. In a balanced God ruled country as will be the millenium this discipline would probably only be executed once every 50 years or so, as people would understand their child rearing responsibilities and the children would be taught correct living standards.

]]> By: newcolors http://seedsofrestoration.wordpress.com/2008/03/17/chuck-misslers-sabbath-teachingan-open-refutation-by-tim-c-terry/#comment-402 newcolors Wed, 28 May 2008 12:23:53 +0000 http://seedsofrestoration.wordpress.com/?p=66#comment-402 Thanks Ginny and Praise the Lord! I am so excited to hear further testimony as to what the Lord is doing! Feel free to use anything I have hear in your teachings. I pray that you are able to plant many seeds for Messiah and His Torah. Let me know if I can ever help. Newcolors Thanks Ginny and Praise the Lord! I am so excited to hear further testimony as to what the Lord is doing!
Feel free to use anything I have hear in your teachings. I pray that you are able to plant many seeds for Messiah and His Torah. Let me know if I can ever help.
Newcolors

]]> By: Ginny W. http://seedsofrestoration.wordpress.com/2008/03/17/chuck-misslers-sabbath-teachingan-open-refutation-by-tim-c-terry/#comment-401 Ginny W. Wed, 28 May 2008 05:01:08 +0000 http://seedsofrestoration.wordpress.com/?p=66#comment-401 Shalom from Sweet Home Alabama! There is a great Messianic movement here in Alabama, I am happy to tell you, and part of the movement began with home education. That is how i stumbled upon the teaching about Sabbath, Passover, Sukkot and many other things of which I had no knowledge until about the age of 49. I have been incredibly blessed by many great teachers and am a product of many of my teachers and mentors, who did not teach about Torah, but Yahweh would not let me be in the dark for long. It is also true that there are no dummies in the body of Yeshuah! We have the mind of Christ and the Holy Spirit will truly teach us all things,if we will let Him! Good job on Sabbath teaching! I was wondering how to start teaching this to others that would listen. You have given me many "nuggets' to use as starting points for people to think about! Blessings! Shalom from Sweet Home Alabama!
There is a great Messianic movement here in Alabama, I am happy to tell you, and part of the movement began with home education. That is how i stumbled upon the teaching about Sabbath, Passover, Sukkot and many other things of which I had no knowledge until about the age of 49. I have been incredibly blessed by many great teachers and am a product of many of my teachers and mentors, who did not teach about Torah, but Yahweh would not let me be in the dark for long. It is also true that there are no dummies in the body of Yeshuah! We have the mind of Christ and the Holy Spirit will truly teach us all things,if we will let Him!
Good job on Sabbath teaching! I was wondering how to start teaching this to others that would listen. You have given me many “nuggets’ to use as starting points for people to think about! Blessings!

]]> By: newcolors http://seedsofrestoration.wordpress.com/2008/03/17/chuck-misslers-sabbath-teachingan-open-refutation-by-tim-c-terry/#comment-394 newcolors Fri, 23 May 2008 21:27:10 +0000 http://seedsofrestoration.wordpress.com/?p=66#comment-394 Jim, I think I answered your main question in my comment above to Mr. Hinds. But concerning the labeling of God's commandments as ceremonial etc...please check out my post titled "My Pastor says we only obey the moral part of God's law". By the way...I find it interesting that you label me as a Sabbatarian. While I do believe the 4th Commandment is valid...I also believe the 1st, 2nd and all the rest are valid. Why do you label me based upon only one of the Torah commands? Why not just call me a Disciple of Jesus...after all...He kept the Sabbath. Didn't He? Newcolors Jim,

I think I answered your main question in my comment above to Mr. Hinds. But concerning the labeling of God’s commandments as ceremonial etc…please check out my post titled “My Pastor says we only obey the moral part of God’s law”.

By the way…I find it interesting that you label me as a Sabbatarian. While I do believe the 4th Commandment is valid…I also believe the 1st, 2nd and all the rest are valid. Why do you label me based upon only one of the Torah commands? Why not just call me a Disciple of Jesus…after all…He kept the Sabbath. Didn’t He?

Newcolors

]]> By: jim http://seedsofrestoration.wordpress.com/2008/03/17/chuck-misslers-sabbath-teachingan-open-refutation-by-tim-c-terry/#comment-393 jim Mon, 19 May 2008 12:56:35 +0000 http://seedsofrestoration.wordpress.com/?p=66#comment-393 Hi Mr Terry: I also came across your blog while I was surfing the Net & have a question for you, too. To most Sabbatarians, the Sabbath commandment is a moral law which was not nailed to the cross. Only ceremonial laws were nailed to the cross. How about God's commandment of stoning a Sabbath breaker to death (Numbers 15:35) - is this a moral or a ceremonial law? (If it's a moral law, then it's still valid - i.e. not nailed to the cross - & a sabbath breaker must be stoned to death because it's a command from God). Thanks. Hi Mr Terry: I also came across your blog while I was surfing the Net & have a question for you, too. To most Sabbatarians, the Sabbath commandment is a moral law which was not nailed to the cross. Only ceremonial laws were nailed to the cross. How about God’s commandment of stoning a Sabbath breaker to death (Numbers 15:35) – is this a moral or a ceremonial law? (If it’s a moral law, then it’s still valid – i.e. not nailed to the cross – & a sabbath breaker must be stoned to death because it’s a command from God). Thanks.

]]> By: newcolors http://seedsofrestoration.wordpress.com/2008/03/17/chuck-misslers-sabbath-teachingan-open-refutation-by-tim-c-terry/#comment-374 newcolors Fri, 11 Apr 2008 15:25:55 +0000 http://seedsofrestoration.wordpress.com/?p=66#comment-374 Thanks so much for the question Mr. Hinds. It is a good one. First of all...(not to avoid the question but to just challenge you a little) I would point out that you and I could ask the same question of any Christian who claims that we should obey ANY of God's Commandments...not just the Sabbath. But for some reason it is a question that is never thought of until someone brings up a issue like I have raised here. No one ever asks your question when a preacher tells us not to steal. Is there a difference? I happen to think not. I believe that God has never changed His mind concerning any of His Commandments. So...that brings us back to your question...what does it mean for us today...what about sacrifices etc. This will be brief...but if you have further questions I would love to talk... Many of the Torah instructions (including animal sacrifices) while still valid are not applicable for you and I today because there is no temple. In fact...if I were to perform a animal sacrifice today...I would be going against His Commandments. The Torah teaches us in Deuteronomy 12 that we are only to perform these sacrifices at the place where He places His name...the Temple. (Deut 12:5-11) I know this is difficult for many Christians...but did you know that Paul actually performed a animal sacrifice after the Cross? (Acts 21) When Paul did this the temple still stood however. Paul knew full well that sacrifices would not save him...he did it out of obedience. Before the cross they pointed to what our Messiah would do...after the cross they point to what our Messiah has done. Everything points to Him. Dietary laws...These are not temple dependant and I believe still very much valid today. You can check out my teaching on "Does God Care aboout what you eat". Read it prayfully and let me know what you think...am I wrong? Or could we have fallen for the same trick pulled on Eve? "Hath God indeed said"? Many of God's commandments dealt with lepers...with the priesthood...etc and do not currently pertain to you and me. That does not mean they have been "done away with". I believe it is our job to study His word...discover what instructions we can do...and then live them out. James told us to be doers of the Word not hearers only. When he said this...there was no new testament. Can it be wrong to imitate Jesus? Concerning the stonings etc. Even today we have a system of capital punishment...(although very flawed). If you study the Torah...you will come to realize that God established punishments in an effort to preserve life...not destroy it. Also...it was not something that was ever carried out by an individual. there was a process that had to be followed...bring it before the elders...witnesses etc. Speaking of stoning...many people think Jesus was pitching the Torah when He dealt with the woman caught in adultery. Hardly. Jesus knew that according to Torah there must be at least two witnesses...that they should be the ones to cast the first stones... and that both the man and woman should be punished. Check out Deut 17:6-7, 19:15 and Leviticus 20:10. The story of the woman caught in adultery will never be the same to you! Jesus kept the Torah perfectly! By the way...this story sums up so nicely the message of Jesus..."Neither do I condemn you, go and sin no more". Jesus took away all the condemantion that was against you and I...but now we are to sin no more. The very defintion of sin is breaking God's Torah according to 1John 3:4. I will stop for now...but would love to answer any further questions you have. Just to let you know...I have not always believed this way. I was brought up in a traditional Christian church. When I started to see these things differently it scared me. But I know that I can not turn my back on what Scripture says...and I am comforted by the fact that nothing has really changed...I am saved by grace alone...period...end of story. Keeping Sabbath will not save you...abstaining from eating pork will not save you. But these instructions are just as valid today as the prohibition of murder...or bestialty. You said that you agree with Chuck on the issue of Sabbath. Do you think that someone who obeys the 4th Commandment is really weak in faith or that there is a danger of legalism in what I say? Is that really what Scripture says? You won't offend me with your answer...but to me Chuck takes too many Scripture verses out of context. If you would...re-read my refutation...let me know if you think I am taking any Scriptures out of context. Thanks so much for the good questions... Saved by grace...Newcolors "For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome". 1John 5:3 Thanks so much for the question Mr. Hinds. It is a good one. First of all…(not to avoid the question but to just challenge you a little) I would point out that you and I could ask the same question of any Christian who claims that we should obey ANY of God’s Commandments…not just the Sabbath. But for some reason it is a question that is never thought of until someone brings up a issue like I have raised here. No one ever asks your question when a preacher tells us not to steal. Is there a difference? I happen to think not. I believe that God has never changed His mind concerning any of His Commandments. So…that brings us back to your question…what does it mean for us today…what about sacrifices etc.

This will be brief…but if you have further questions I would love to talk…

Many of the Torah instructions (including animal sacrifices) while still valid are not applicable for you and I today because there is no temple. In fact…if I were to perform a animal sacrifice today…I would be going against His Commandments. The Torah teaches us in Deuteronomy 12 that we are only to perform these sacrifices at the place where He places His name…the Temple. (Deut 12:5-11) I know this is difficult for many Christians…but did you know that Paul actually performed a animal sacrifice after the Cross? (Acts 21) When Paul did this the temple still stood however. Paul knew full well that sacrifices would not save him…he did it out of obedience. Before the cross they pointed to what our Messiah would do…after the cross they point to what our Messiah has done. Everything points to Him.

Dietary laws…These are not temple dependant and I believe still very much valid today. You can check out my teaching on “Does God Care aboout what you eat”. Read it prayfully and let me know what you think…am I wrong? Or could we have fallen for the same trick pulled on Eve? “Hath God indeed said”?

Many of God’s commandments dealt with lepers…with the priesthood…etc and do not currently pertain to you and me. That does not mean they have been “done away with”. I believe it is our job to study His word…discover what instructions we can do…and then live them out. James told us to be doers of the Word not hearers only. When he said this…there was no new testament. Can it be wrong to imitate Jesus?

Concerning the stonings etc. Even today we have a system of capital punishment…(although very flawed).
If you study the Torah…you will come to realize that God established punishments in an effort to preserve life…not destroy it. Also…it was not something that was ever carried out by an individual. there was a process that had to be followed…bring it before the elders…witnesses etc.

Speaking of stoning…many people think Jesus was pitching the Torah when He dealt with the woman caught in adultery. Hardly. Jesus knew that according to Torah there must be at least two witnesses…that they should be the ones to cast the first stones… and that both the man and woman should be punished. Check out Deut 17:6-7, 19:15 and Leviticus 20:10. The story of the woman caught in adultery will never be the same to you! Jesus kept the Torah perfectly! By the way…this story sums up so nicely the message of Jesus…”Neither do I condemn you, go and sin no more”. Jesus took away all the condemantion that was against you and I…but now we are to sin no more. The very defintion of sin is breaking God’s Torah according to 1John 3:4.

I will stop for now…but would love to answer any further questions you have. Just to let you know…I have not always believed this way. I was brought up in a traditional Christian church. When I started to see these things differently it scared me. But I know that I can not turn my back on what Scripture says…and I am comforted by the fact that nothing has really changed…I am saved by grace alone…period…end of story. Keeping Sabbath will not save you…abstaining from eating pork will not save you. But these instructions are just as valid today as the prohibition of murder…or bestialty.

You said that you agree with Chuck on the issue of Sabbath. Do you think that someone who obeys the 4th Commandment is really weak in faith or that there is a danger of legalism in what I say? Is that really what Scripture says? You won’t offend me with your answer…but to me Chuck takes too many Scripture verses out of context. If you would…re-read my refutation…let me know if you think I am taking any Scriptures out of context.

Thanks so much for the good questions…

Saved by grace…Newcolors

“For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome”. 1John 5:3

]]> By: Andy Hinds http://seedsofrestoration.wordpress.com/2008/03/17/chuck-misslers-sabbath-teachingan-open-refutation-by-tim-c-terry/#comment-373 Andy Hinds Fri, 11 Apr 2008 00:18:24 +0000 http://seedsofrestoration.wordpress.com/?p=66#comment-373 Hello, Mr. Terry, I came across this article while searching for something else on the Internet, but it caught my attention. I have to ask you though, in light of your comments here, what you do with the rest of the Mosaic Law? I would consider myself to be in agreement with Chuck Missler on this issue - to let you know where I am coming from - but if the Mosaic Law has not been replaced by a New Covenant with a new law, then what do you do with all the other Mosaic Laws: Animal sacrifices? Dietary restrictions? Mixing of clothing materials? Stoning of rebellious children? etc.? I would appreciate your response to this question for my sake! Thank you for your time, and your study of the word. May God be magnified. -Andy Hello, Mr. Terry, I came across this article while searching for something else on the Internet, but it caught my attention. I have to ask you though, in light of your comments here, what you do with the rest of the Mosaic Law? I would consider myself to be in agreement with Chuck Missler on this issue – to let you know where I am coming from – but if the Mosaic Law has not been replaced by a New Covenant with a new law, then what do you do with all the other Mosaic Laws: Animal sacrifices? Dietary restrictions? Mixing of clothing materials? Stoning of rebellious children? etc.? I would appreciate your response to this question for my sake! Thank you for your time, and your study of the word. May God be magnified. -Andy

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